Vash the Stampede VS Vincent Valentine (Trigun VS Final Fantasy VII)

(by me)   (by g) (By Videodmf09) (By Godzillafan12360) (By Jershy) (by SeriesHyperfixator) (by Gonk) "We are what we are, and we are where we are, because of what we have done with our time." - Euriphides, (Medea)

Vash the Stampede, Trigun's drifting gunslinger, more known as the infamous Humanoid Typhoon.

Vincent Valentine, Final Fantasy's loner marksman, and sometimes known as the Dirge of Cerberus.

Both are not what they seem. Their pasts are clouded, and it's pretty obvious that we're trying to run away and escape from all our problems. But that isn't the right way to go, especially when you've got new allies by your side, ones that you stick with, and more importantly, stick with you through all those hardships. Eventually, there's nowhere to go but forward, but to do that you have to come to terms with your past mistakes and use them to make yourself stronger.

Now, let's see, who will come out on top? Will the Humanoid Typhoon with a $$60 billion bounty move on to see another day, or will the Monster of Chaos rampage through and mark the end of his campaign? IT'S TIME FOR ANOTHER RANDOM PREDICTION BLOG!!!!

(that is SO corny wth)

Before we Begin...

Aint no way, ANOTHER BLOG!!!! Now we're talking.

To be honest, I've been a huge fan of Final Fantasy VII since a while back, but I also watched Trigun recently, and upon finding out this existed, I practically bounded at the chance to make a blog for this. I am GENUINELY excited for this blog this time.

Anyways, we'll be covering the Trigun anime and manga, as well as the movie Badlands Rumble and the Stampede miniseries, and Final Fantasy VII games, Like the Original, Dirge of Cerberus, Remake and Rebirth, Advent Children, etc.

The reason why we use Stampede for Vash is that Nightow himself worked on the project, and even stated his intentions were to make Stampede mostly accurate to the original source material of Trigun.

Basically the media they appear in.

Certain blogs we'll be using:

• G1's Link VS Cloud
• ThoseGuysThatQuit VS Blogs - Wolfwood VS Alexander Anderson

Also, BIG NOTE before we begin. We understand this conflicts with Vash's ideology of Love & Peace, so... unfortunately... we're going to have to give him a character assassination and say he kills for this battle, because we've seen that he HAS that potential to kill.

So yeah, thanks for reading this. We'll be again, using VSBattles wiki for things like calcs and scaling, and possibly even more.

I'm gonna say right now, this is my favorite blog to work on.

Oh, and I collaborated with g (or alternatively generally known as Ricu and known as Reasonable_Rock2967 on Reddit), who has made his own megapost for this matchup before, and I can consider him the biggest fan of this MU that I have met. He made a lot of cool visuals, and you've probably seen them before, so uh.

You know the tradition now,

MAJOR SPOILERS!!!!!!!

Background

Vash

by g

"This world is made of LOVE & PEACE!!!" 

• Also known as: The Humanoid Typhoon, Valentinez Alkalinella Xifax Sicidabohertz Gombigobilla Blue Stradivari Talentrent Pierre Andri Charton-Haymoss Ivanovici Baldeus George Doitzel Kaiser the III
• Loves: LOVE and PEACE!!! And donuts!!!
• Species: Plant
• Age: Over 150 (way younger physically)
• Height 5' 11"
• Worst womanizer ever

In the desertic planet of No Man's Land (or Gunsmoke), legends are told about a man with unmatched gunslinging skills that brings destruction everywhere he goes. With an absurdly huge 60.000.000.000$$ bounty, he's wanted by all the population of this wasteland. He's the First Natural Disaster, the Humanoid Typhoon, he's... Vash The Stampede! According to everyone, this tall and blond outlaw with a very, VERY swag red coat destroys cities and ruins lives daily, deriving only twisted pleasure from his crimes against humanity...

 

...and once you meet him he's the exact opposite of what he's described to be. You'd imagine Vash to be ruthless and cold, but no, he a silly Cassanova who always eats donuts, laughs and cries like a dumbass, and gets beat up every second by basically anyone. It just happens that, everytime Vash is somewhere fighting and running from whoever tries to hunt him down, something gets destroyed and everyone blames him. Vash himself doesn't even utilize his gun that much, as it's revealed he actually hates violence, and nothing matters more than the preservation of life to him. He described himself as a hunter of love, as he wanted to spread LOVE & PEACE to this land, all while keeping that goofy smile on his face and doing jokes. During his adventures, he met some friends, like Milly Thompson and Meryl Strife, two insurance agents from the Bernardelli company sent to keep an eye on him, and how can we forget Nicholas D.Wolfwood, the priest with that BIG ASS CROSS GUN! Vash often travels with them, but he's mostly a lonely wanderer. From there, the adventures were all fun and runnin' and gunnin'... until he was attacked by a certain Legato Bluesummers, leader of the Gun-Ho-Guns killer squad, at the service of someone that Vash knew well... his twin brother Million Knives... and it's from here, that we discover all the truth about this walking disaster.

 

Turns out, Vash ain't exactly a human, but a Plant (no, not those that you have to water everyday). Plants are basically artificially made human battery that gives energy to humans. Yeah, that's because 100 years ago, humanity doomed themselves and made their home planet Earth perish because of pollution. Fortunately, some humans survived, and created some spaceships under the name of Project SEEDS to find a new habitable planet to live on. Vash was created in one of those spaceships, alongside his twin brother Knives, and the two little plants were soon going to be raised by Rem Savarem, their surrogate mother. Rem teached them the importance of life, and the nature of pacifism... but while Vash loved Rem, Knives did not. He was angry about the fact that humans horrifically abused of Plants, therefore he sabotaged the fleet of ships that the remaining humans were living on, forcing everyone to land on Gunsmoke. Vash and Knives fortunately survived... but it was because Rem had sacrificed herself to make the two Plants and the rest of humanity land safely into the desertic planet. Once Vash and Knives landed, they traveled the planet together, watching how the humans built the main seven cities and abused Plants even more. Eventually, because of their different ideologies, Vash ran away from Knives after the latter... tore off the former's arm. Years later, Vash met Knives again in July, who activated his dormant Plant powers to them make him destroy the whole city in a big blast, killing more than 200.000 people involuntarily (unless you've watched the anime, which everyone somehow survived the blast to die out after). And that's how Vash became The Humanoid Typhoon. But despite his power and skill with firearms, he vowed that he'll wonder the planet to spread what his dead mother Rem believed in, the desire of a world where people didn't have to steal, kill or hate each other.

 

But this unwillingness to kill people will cause everyone to treat him like shit, making his life a living hell. Infact the PAINFUL scars he got really say a lot about what he went trough. But the scars weren't only physical, they were  especially mental, because of Knives, Legato and his Gun-Ho-Guns group. They all tried to push Vash's no kill rule to it's extreme, giving him internal conflicts about his ideals, trying to break his willpower and make him finally pull the trigger to take a life... which he eventually did. Right after his good friend Wolfwood died, who tried to live as a pacifist like our Humanoid Typhoon, Vash was eventually forced to kill Legato, which sent him into depression, having a deep emotional turmoil that made him question the way he choose to live his own life. But thanks to the support from the friends he made and saved along the way, Vash got finally his will back, and went to find Knives to beat him once and for all, which he eventually did! But still... he did not kill him. In their final battle, both Plants were left out of energy, and Knives ultimately decided to save Vash by giving all of his energy, dying in the process, because in the end, he still deep down loved Vash as a brother. And now, Vash will keep living without his powers, as just a human... but maybe it's better like this, because... you could say that his adventure has shown how the ticket to the future is always blank... He fixed his problems with Knives peacefully, and now, he can keep travelling the world, spreading... LOVE & PEACE! 

Vincent

also by g

 "Pain doesn't hurt if it's all you've ever felt."

• Also known as: Monster of Chaos, dark and brooding stereotype
• Likes: Lucrecia, Sleeping
• Species: Totally a vampire trust Human
• Age: 60 (27 physically)
• Height: 6' 0"
• Blood Type A (yes)
• does a backflip when waking up

The Planet Gaia, run by the Shinra World Electric Company, was dying. All because of the aftermentioned company, that was sucking up the planet's energy known as Lifestream through various reactors to create crystalized Mako spheres known as Materia. Luckily though, a group called AVALANCHE, was formed to fight off Shinra, and also their former strongest soldier became god-hood seeking villain Sephiroth, who wanted to destroy the planet by summoning a meteor (not really), as he discovered the truth about his creation. The members of AVALANCHE basically all had their lives ruined by Shinra, but only one of them was actually part of said company in the first place, the gunman with a very, VERY swag red coat that has seen it all: Vincent Valentine!

 

Initially, nothing about this man is really known. Cloud Strife and his friends found and met Vincent in the Shinra's Manor's basement in Niebelheilm after getting the keys from a safe opened thanks to a code and killing a big weird monster, who was sleeping inside a coffin. But when Cloud and Vincent started talking, and the latter ultimately was convinced to join the group at the mention that they will go kill a certain Professor Hojo, his past starts to get a little bit foreshadowed. Joining Cloud's group, Vincent went on various adventures with his new allies, until, once they reached a cave through a submarine, Vincent met again with someone he knew well, Lucrecia Crescent. This is where we can see Vincent's past...

 

30 years before the events of the main story, Vincent worked as part of the Turks, elite high-ranking agents tasked with protecting Shinra´s most important figures, and also supervising projects. Vincent supervised the JENOVA Project in Niebelheilm, with him having to protect the heads of Shinra´s science division: Professor Hojo and Professor Lucrecia, the woman who Vincent fell in love with. But apparently, despite reciprocating Vincent's feelings, the scientist was already married to Hojo (ugly ass mf), and even put pregnant by him, to then experiment on the fetus by injecting Jenova's DNA in it, which caused her to get sick. Vincent opposed to all of this, to which Hojo responded by shooting the Turk in the chest, to then experiment on his half-dead body, giving him the power of metamorphosis. To save Vincent though, Lucrecia infused on him Chaos-tainted Mako, which made him become the vessel of Chaos, basically the Satan of Final Fantasy, and the Protomateria, made to control the before-mentioned demonic entity. A year later, when Vincent woke up from the experiment recovered, he discovered how Lucrecia supposedly died right after she gave birth to her son: Sephiroth, so, as a punishment to not have been able to save her loved one, the ex-Turk gave up on his life and locked himself in the Shinra Manor's coffin. But when 20 years later he was found by Cloud, he decided to participate his group only to get his revenge on Hojo, and stop Sephiroth from destroying the world.

 

As Vincent managed to talk again with his beloved Lucrecia in that cave, not only he received the forgiveness he long searched for his sins of not having been capable of protecting her, which caused the birth of a monster that destroyed Nibelheilm and will soon destroy the world, but also got a better control of the demon inside of him. And with that, he not only aided in the defeat of Sephiroth and the extermination of the Geostigma, his memetic legacy, but also managed to take down Shinra and kill Hojo, not once, but TWICE when he tried to return with his own Deepground squad, and also wake up Omega, a giant world-destroying mech and old acquaintance of Chaos, who the latter helped Vincent beat said mech. So, beware, if you are a threat to Gaia, Vincent will more than certainly unleash his power... of CHAOS.

Experience and Skill Marksmanship

Vash

Don't let his goofy personality fool you at first. Vash is a expert marksman... no, "expert" is REDUCTIVE. He's been evading bounty hunters for a century, which includes people who can just read your movements and predict what you can do, and can do a lot of cool stuff with his gun. As shown above, he can shoot a rock so precisely, it's fragments destroy a swarm of missiles, but there are other feat's he's done. He's also been easily able to see through the illusion created by invisible wire spread throughout 10 km. He's able to physically count the amount of bullets shot by his opponent, deducing their current ammunition remaining, and was once subjected to literal sensory paralysis, and instantly figured how to counteract it. Bro's accuracy is dead-on, being able to shoot thousands of bullets and never miss, to the point of being able to shoot bullets through the SAME BULLET HOLE. He can block omnidirectional attacks, shoot missiles out of the sky, blow off the fuses off dynamite before they can touch the ground, fight while his eyes are closed, and still dodge attacks from people faster than him, and can fire four shots so fast, it sounded like one... God, nerf Vash. Who needs autoaim when you have this motherfucker?

Vincent

Vincent ain't just a edgelord with a gun, he actually has CRAZY gunslinging abilities, despite sealing himself in a coffin for 30 years. As a former-Turk, Vincent trained to receive advanced skills in espionage, close combat and obviously marksmanship, which as shown in the third-person shooter (and totally the fan favourite game of the franchise fr fr (it's hated)) Dirge Of Cerberus, Vincent uses for doing some crazy stuff like take down helicopters by shooting them from hundreds of meters (even while he's upside down), shot precisely at volatiles, missiles and soldiers on really fast vehicles, kill dozens of Deepground assassins easily, who are stronger than the original SOLDIERS, and much more stuff he shows with not only his main gun, but many different firearms, as he has complete mastery of those. But the game where Vincent technically showed the max of his skill is in the OG Final Fantasy VII game, where not only he held his own with some of the most powerful warriors of the planet like Cloud and especially Sephiroth, the same one that can create illusions, but when you maximize his stats, Vincent's aim accuracy becomes of a whopping...  250% WHAT?!?! In short, this just means he never misses, even with status effects. It's so impressive, it puts the concept of aimbot to shame lmfao.

Equipment and Arsenal

Vash

Machine-Gun Arm

After his old left arm got... shot off by Knives... Vash got a new cybernetic arm, which he usually hides underneath cloth. Initially a powerful pistol, it was then upgraded to become a literal machine gun with unlimited ammo, but it has some recoil to it, so Vash has to hold himself in place sometimes.

AGL Arms .45 Long Colt

Vash's signature choice of weapon, more commonly known (in the verse) as the AGL Arms .45 Long Colt. In the anime, it was uniquely built by Knives to trigger Vash's Angel Arm, along with his own, so Vash kind of just has on of these on him now. Holding 6 rounds, you'd never think it was so dangerous after Vash wielded it. It's been stated to be small and puny, but also stated to pack some firepower for a light gun, and Vash really does prove that when he uses it.

The "Cross" Punisher

Belonging to members of the Eye of Micheal, this was once Wolfwood's signature weapon, until he passed away. In the front there is a machine gun, and in the back, there's a rocket launcher. These bullets are strong enough to hurt the likes of Knives in the anime. It also contains 8 pistols on it's sides, 4 each side. It's been stated to be heavy, according to Wolfwood, "being full of mercy" and Vash himself says he doesn't want to lift the heavy object, although given his superhuman strength, it's implied he's not struggling to lift the Punisher, but rather the weight of Wolfwood's death.

     Coat

Vash's cool coat. It not only just looks cool as hell, but it's also heat resistant, cold resistant... and... MORE bulletproof than his last one. This is notable considering how bullets in Trigun can literally mow down buildings.

Boot (ft. Knife)

It's a knife. in a boot. what am i supposed to say? It can puncture tires and easily cut through strong rope. Nothing really fancy.

Angel Arm

The Angel Arm is one of the pinnacle of Plant abilities, usually depicted as a enormous cannon with angel wings, strong enough to blow holes in the moon. Vash is actually quite afraid of using this after the July Incident, in which Knives forced him to use it to annihilate the city (and ironically Knives himself, looks like he didn't plan that out.)

The Angel Arm actually has more to it than a mutated arm cannon, and it can appear in a wide variety of forms. It's even been shown to subconsciously manifest to defend Vash from a bullet, or multiple, and  even while he's unconscious. and with Knives, it's been shown to mutate to impossibly large sizes, and even manifest as different weapons, like firearms and blades. It's also potent enough to erase you beyond dust, and even attack your very mind/consciousness. Plus they have aimbot.

See Abilities for more details.

Black Hole Bullets

Probably my favourite part of Vash's kit, the fact he can pull BLACK HOLES outta his ass. For making them, Vash takes normal bullets, infuses his plant energy on them, and boom, here you have black holes that bypass any type of durability, and disrupts space around them in a range of half a kilometre (not that big tho)! Oh and also, they can  even serve to stop attacks from sucking them up. Not even Knives Angel Arm attacks can get past it. 

Subspace Bullets

If black holes didn't sound enough bullshit to you, Vash can also shoot FUCKING SUBSPACES! But these aren't really lethal, the opposite really, but they are still really useful, because they can forcefully send you in another dimension. He showed to use this type of bullet when he had to nullify a baby plant who's birth would have caused a BIG BANG! He deadass just said "YOINK" to the creation of the universe... lmao.

Vincent

Items

  

As every respectable JRPG, Vincent and the rest of the characters part of the playable characters group can use various items gatherable in game, wherether are for making your own conditions better or to use them in battle: 

• Various Potions: Restores Vincent’s HP.
• Various Ethers: Same with MP
• Elixir: Fully restores both HP and MP
• Hyper: Grants Fury, which makes the Limit Break bar grow faster 
• Tranquilizer: Grants Sadness... it's fucking useless.
• Hero Drink: Raises Vince's Strength, Magic, Defense, and Spirit by 30% (and are essential to pull the one-shot glitch in the game lmfao)
• Remedy: Cures Sleep, Poison, Sadness, Fury, Confusion, Silence, Frog, Mini, Slow-numb, Petrify, Berserk, Paralysis, and Darkness.
•  Molotov & Fire Veil: You set your enemies on fire.
• T/S Bomb: Casts Demi2
•  Swift Bolt, Dragon Fang: Casts Lightning
• Stardust: MAKE EM RAIINN!!! (comets)
• Grenade: edanerG.
• Vampire Fang: Drains your opp's HP
• Ghost Hand: Same with MP
• Kiss of Death: 69% (nice) probabilty of insta-kill
• Impaler: Turns the opp into a frog (then why the fuck it's called Impaler)
• Shrivel: Makes you smol
• Hourglass: It stops your opponent
• Loco Weed: Smooke weed everyday da da da da ooh why i feel dizzy 

Materia

 

The Materia is product of the Lifestream, the energy the runs troughout all the planet of Gaia... which is causing the planet to die but, eh, i explained that before. These things let the user call upon the knowledge of the Cetra, the OGs of Gaia basically. Materia can either be made artificially, or just be found at a store, and basically everyone can use it, especially if you have slots in your weapon for it. There are different types.

• Green Materia: Gives the user the ability of harnessing the magic aspect of the Lifestream (more on that later)
•  Summon Materia: My favourite type of Materia, it lets you summon a huge variety of monsters to help you in battle (again, more on that later)

•  Command Materia: You know how you usually start with only three commands: Attack, Magic and Item? This materia lets you have more commands, letting you do a lot of more stuff: 

• Deathblow: Critical hit
• Sense: Know your enemy's stats/weakness 
•  Enemy Skill: Let's you steal other opponent's abilities (again again, more on that later)
• Manipulate: Lets you control your opponent
• Prayer: Restores health without using magic. 
• W-Magic and W-Summon: Cast 2 Magic spells (2x the same one or two different ones), and summon twice, respectively.

•  Support Materia: Materia that grants passive enhancements to your character, if linked to another materia, it can grant an effect:  

• All: It targets everyone in your range of action
• Elemental: Deals elemental damage with whatever Materia it's linked up.
• Final Attack: Uses whatever materia is linked if Vincent dies, which is useful to revive themselves by linking it to a Life magic Materia
•  HP-MP Absorb: you'll never guess what this does... 

• Independent Materia: Same as Support but don't need to be linked. It gives nothing special though, just other stat buffs.

Various Fire Arms

 

I already said before that Vincent's time as a turk gave him the opportunity to train with firearms and master them all, right? Well, infact, when we use Vincent in the gameplay, we see how many different guns bro has. Some of this weapons appear again in Dirge Of Cerberus. He has normal pistols, rifles, shotguns, snipers, long barrels, and the Death Penal- HEY THAT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE HERE, IT SHOULD BE COVERED FOR LAST!

Golden Gauntlet

 

Vincent's drip doesn't only focus on his swag red cape, but also his Gauntlet claw thing. It's useful to fight up-close and personal, and it hurts!

Cerberus

Oh here we have it, Vincent's real deal, the gun he's the Dirge of: Cerberus (say that again). Inspired by the dog god with three heads, it's a triple-barreled handgun, and also what replaced the original Quicksilver pistol since the Advent Children movie. Decorated with scroll designs, it can fire three bullets simultaneously from its six-round cylinder, kind of making it... a TRIGUN! Coincidence? I think not! And you see the chain below the pistol? That chain has slots for Materia, letting Vincent use it with greater effect thanks to his weapon.

Coat 

 

Vincent's cape isn't just for fashion and for looking very swag, but also seems to act on it's own, like the time he used it to save Cloud and take him away from some enemies who were kicking his ass. And he also let's him (kind of) fly... aura.

Griffon

The weapon i sometimes misread as "Griffin" lmao. This machine gun, while one of the weakest weapons in Vincent's arsenal, has so much speed that it basically makes up for the weak part of the weapon.

  Hydra 

  

The Hydra sniper, is also a good weapon, but one of the most lethal firearms. It's heavy, but it packs a punch, it's slow, but it's damn accurate, alongside having the best range. Useful also to conserve ammo. 

Ribbon

 

In his right forearm, Vincent has this Ribbon, as a tribute to the dead Aerith. It's useless as an armor, but it protects you from every status effect in the games. And there are A LOT of those: Sleep, Poison, Sadness, Fury, Confusion, Silence, Frog, Mini, Slow- Numb, Petrify, Death Sentence, Berserk, Paralysis, and Darkness.

Protomateria

 

 During Lucrecia's experiments on Chaos, Vincent's father, Grimoire Valentine, found this rare unique materia, with proprieties that quite resemble anti-matter. Put in his heart by Lucrecia, Vincent uses the Protomateria to have control over Chaos to prevent him to run on a rampage. One of Deepground Soldiers, Rosso, managed to extract it from Vincent's chest, but he then got it later, to then kick Omega Weapon's ass.

Death Penalty

  

 Oh, finally, i can talk about it. When Vincent goes Chaos, he also can summon his ultimate weapon: The Death Penalty. In the original Final Fantasy VII game, it was only a really Long Colt revolving rifle that you could get in Lucrecia's cave, and that becomes stronger the more you kill enemies in the game, to the point you can come to one-hit kill everyone. But in Dirge of Cerberus? It doesn't have just 3 barrels, but 5, and it fires lasers! It also absorbs his victims' souls, aligning with its effect in the original game, even if in DoC it doesn't really let you one-shot enemies.

Abilities

Vash

Plant Physiology

 

    Vash is a Plant, an advanced form of sentient, immortal and inter-dimensional life... who's full extent of their abilities are unknown to mankind, despite themselves being the creators of these lifeforms... somehow. Plants are divided into two categories, Non-Dependent Plants and Independent plants. You remember how i said that the Plants purpose is to provide energy and life? Most of these are non-independent, without conciousness, and are contained in big light-bulb like structures. Meanwhile, the Independent Plants have free will and can do what they want, and are obviously much stronger than the Non-Dependent ones, and Vash is specifically a Independent plant.

 

As i said before, Plants are meant to manipulate and create things such as energy, and can produce things such as UV rays and even oxygen, as well as absorb energy. They can control pretty much any kind of energy that exists within the multiverse, quite possibly. It's again, also stated in Lost Plant that they can manipulate minus or negative energy. (No links because it has a plant woman unable to afford clothes - if ykyk - so read it yourself)

 

Oh and Plant Physiology let's Vash do some crazy stuff too, like:

Genius Intelligence

I just called it that idk

Even though he appears dumb and goofy on the outside, he's a unmatched gunman if he wanted to, being able to perform a significant amount of calculations in the timespan the Big Bang was being made (um... yes), as shown above. This is also considering his ability to comprehend things that normal humans cannot, since he's a Plant. He can also remember things like names and memories from hundreds of years ago.

Weapon Creation (via Angel Arms)

 

Angel Arms can manifest as giant cannons, but as we've said before, Angel Arms can also manifest as tendrils which home onto their oppenent, mini scythes, or even a set of pistols, and even blades.

Forcefield Creation

Vash can utilize his Angel Arm to make giant forcefields (see above), which can block physical attacks, or even those of Angel Arms, which as we've covered below, can erase things from existence.

Attack Reflection + Analytical Prediction

 

Vash has been shown to parry and reflect attacks from things like missiles with his bullets, but can also parry Knives's own incredibly destructive void attacks away from him as well. He can do all this thanks to being really good at predicting attacks, even from foes who are capable of blitzing him on normal occasions.

Fear Manipulation/Paralysis Inducement

Powerful plants such as Vash can emit a strong aura so powerful, it can cause fear in others and even paralyze fighters like Wolfwood, as pictured above. For some people like Knives, this effect can even happen with just a glance, hell, it's even powerful enough to be spread across large distances, or even build put pressure on people and feel their aura in large areas, or pull a All For One/Orichimaru and literally make people hallucinate their own deaths. (poor Wolfwood). 

Teleportation

 

Independent Plants like Knives have been able to warp space so precisely, he can teleport even large distances in a instant. Vash himself can teleport.

Gravity Manipulation

 

Plants have been shown to manipulate gravity to stop large objects from sinking into less dense ground, as shown here, making this ship not sink into the sand over time. This is in turn achieved by manipulating minus or negative energy, as stated in Lost Plant. 

Deconstruction + Matter Manipulation (Quantum)  

 

 Plants indirectly destroy infinitesimally small Planck when they generate matter and energy.

Plants are also stated to manipulate materials at a high scale, and this allows them to do things such as create matter from nothing, and can manipulate infinitely small Planck lengths, which are organic also create matter. This allows them to generate and freely manipulate quantum particles.

Quantum level particles are actually the most complex form of matter manipulation, as these planck lengths are infinitely small, practically on a lower dimensional scale.

Existence Erasure

 

The Angel Arm can physically shred every aspect of your body, such as all your bones, drops of bloods, or shreds of flesh - none which will be left behind. Not to mention Angel Arms can straight up attack your consciousness with it too, and could possibly erase that as well in the attack. You just get reduced to nothingness, absolutely nothing is left behind. Considering how Plants can also interact with infinitely small quantum Planck lengths, this could suggest a similar level of erasure as to erasing all particles within you.

Mind/Memory Manipulation + Info Analysis

 

Angel Arms have shown to shred someone's consciousness, hijack the consciousness of others and control them to do anything the user wishes. Plants can also even read the minds of those affect people, allowing them to gain information about the capabilities of their opponents or other valuable information. Plants like Vash also have shown to read and implant memories into others through the use of their Angel Arms. And Knives can reshape Vash's memory entirely in Stampede, but Vash resists it.

Pocket Reality Creation

 

Plants can control and possibly create dimensions, as evidence by that statement again. In Lost Plant, it was also stated that the Plant would create a new universe via the Big Bang, which it proceeds to do after being pulled into Vash's subspace. Speaking of, maybe Vash's subspaces count too.

Law Manipulation

 

 Plants are capable to defy the laws of physics as humans know it, especially after absorbing a large amount of electricity.

Regeneration

 

Vash has shown to have crazy regeneration, like... expelling a bullet directly from his skin like if he was malleable? At his peak, Vash has the same regeneration as other plants, like his brother Knives, who regenerated from being erased from existence, both mentally and physically.

Flight

Vash can grow literal angel wins and start flying. Yes, pretty generic, but hey, Spawn vibes. It cool.

Spatial Manipulation

Vash has a couple ways of space manipulation. His Black Hole bullets blatantly warp space, Plants have been shown to overwrite universes, his Subspace bullets can send you to a pocket dimension, and his Angel Arm's blade can scatter "billions of flattened dimensions." Use of teleportation powers can also warp space.

Causality Manipulation + Acausality

Plants can collapse and create causality with their powers, being able to affect the entire multiverse, containing it's time axises, and even higher dimensions. Plants are theorectically unaffected by their own changes to causality in the first place, so this grants Type 4 Acausality.

Vincent

Bio Modified Human Physiology 

 

 Because of Hojo's experiments on his half-dead body, Vinnie here has gained some nifty new powers, like superhuman physical characteristics, natural regeneration, the capability to transform into various beasts (which we will talk about later). and immortality (meaning he lives forever naturally), all stemming from the Protomateria, Chaos Gene and Jenova Cells inside his body. Too bad he sees this new body of his the punishment for not having saved Lucrecia.

Magic

 

 

The Cetras used Magic in the distant past, which lets you use the power of the lifetstream for powerful attacks and doing some cool stuff, also thanks to Materia. There's is also the Master Magic Materia, which directly lets you use EVERY spell in the game. The more you level up, the more these Materia also level, so you can use even stronger versions of the attacks.

• Fire: it lets you cast simple fireballs, pillars of fire and even flaming explosions and nukes.
•  Ice: it lets you cast icicles, from weak to strong ones, and even lets you freeze the enemy in time
• Electricity: it lets you cast lightning bolts from the sky.
•  Earth: or also known as Quake, it makes you cause potent tremors underneath your targets, and can turn targets into stone.
• Wind: you can generate a small gust of wind, a vortex and even a tornado, and it also confuses targets
• Poison: it lets you poison your enemy
• Restore: it lets you heal from your lost HP points
• Curaga: gives you cool HP regeneration
• Heal: it cleanses you of impurities. 
• Esuna: it cures from lots of status-effects (Sleep, Poison, Sadness, Fury, Confusion, Silence, Frog, Small, Slow-numb, Petrify, Berserk, Paralysis, and Darkness).
• Resist: Protects from various status effects, like Esuna, but also cures Insta-Death.
•  Revival: it revives.
• Life: does that but you come back with not so much health
• Arise: the opposite of life, it revives you with full health
• Sleep: go to sleeep
• Silence: it says to other enemies magic spells "STFU"
• Confuse: i'll never guess what this does
• Berserk: makes your opponent stronger, though they loose control and their movements become more erratic
• Mini: it shrinks your target 
• Toad: transforms your opponent into a frog
• Escape: N I N G E R U N D A Y O ! S M O K E Y ! 
• Remove: it BFRs your opponent by banishing them into another dimension
• Gravity: i'll never guess what this does (x2)
• Wall: creates a barrier
• De-Barrier: de-spells your opponents' barriers
• Comet: rain downs meteors
• Haste: Makes you faster
• Slow: Makes others slower
• Stop: ZA WARUDO! (well not really, it's the enemy that is stopped, not time itself... but i still wanted to say it)
• Death: you just fucking die.
•  Ultima: an explosion of Mako that you can't run away from, it's the most powerful spell.

Enemy Skills

 

Thanks to the Enemy Skill Command Materia, you make your Enemies have a Skill Issue, cuz you steal their abilities! Well, not steal, more like learn, but i really wanted to include "skill issue" to "enemy skill". You can't steal techniques from everyone, infact how this Materia works is weird, but whatever. 

• Frog Song: Inflicts Sleep and Frog.
• Magic Hammer: Summons a mystical hammer that knocks the MP right out of an opponent.
• White Wind: Restores HP and status.
• Big Guard: Adds Barrier, Manaward, and Haste.
• Dragon Force: Raises defense and magic defense.
• Flame Thrower: the one i like using most :D
• Laser: Fires lots of lasers.
• Matra Magic: It launches rockets.
• Bad Breath: BUUUUURP (it causes Poison, Confuse, Sleep, Silence, Small, and Frog).
• Beta: Surrounds the enemy in a flaming vortex.
• Aqualung: lets you launch water orbs.
• Trine: Summons a pyramid of lightning to electrocute all foes.
• Magic Breath: Spews a stream of magic bubbles enchanted with fire, water, and lightning. 
• ???: Deals damage equal to the user’s current health.
• Death Sentence: Casts Doom on the target.
• Shadow Flare: A dark version of flare which bombards all in a fury of dark explosions.
• Pandora’s Box: A mysterious ability that deals massive damage to all targets while ignoring their defense. 

Summons

 

(did i exaggerate?)

 

Mythological beasts that you can call thanks to the Summon Materia. They either bring the opponent into their own pocket dimension, or they directly fight alongside you. There's also Master Summon Materia that lets you have them all, infact, let's see these summons.

 

• Alexander: Calls an ancient mechanical giant from beneath the earth who then blasts a beam of holy light of Judgment.
• Chocobo: our favourite big bird launches himself to crash onto the opponent and inflict them Stop. There's also the fat Chocobo, that directly gives the Twomp treatment to the enemies.
• Ifrit (CLIVE ROSFEIEEEEELD): The big flaming beast itself appears and flies at you while charged up in fire
• Kujata: A beast that appears after some lotta shit happens (ice that becomes fire and weirder stuff) that then slams the ground with its forelegs creating violent shockwaves that strike the opposing party before disappearing.
• Leviathan: The great serpent of the sea emerges from a sphere of water and calls a massive wave to consume all enemies.
• Phoenix: Summons the undying bird from its flames, born from a single tear, to emit its searing light and burn away all enemies, reviving all fallen as well.
• Ramuh - Judgment Bolt: I CAST TESTICULAR TORSIO- a old robbed sage shoots a big thunderstorm to the enemies with his staff. 
• Shiva: our ice maiden slowly descends, and with a raise of her hand, she uses Diamond Dust, sending a barrage of ice shards that subjects the area around the enemy to Absolute Zero temperatures.
• Titan: A mass of ground suddenly bursts up, and a giant emerges. He slams his hands against the floor and lifts the earth itself to turn it over on the enemies, crushing them. 
• Hades: Summons a mysterious skeletal figure, whose erupting cauldron truly is Bad to The Bone, because it inflicts damage and the Sleep, Poison, Confusion, Silence, Frog, Slow, Paralysis, and Small statuses. 
• Odin: The legendary knight riding his eight-legged steed Sleipnir, will slice you with his blade in two, killing you instantly. But if you resist the technique, Odin will use Gungnir instead and throws it at the sky with such strength that it will split the clouds, for then having the lance falling on your head.
• Bahamut: oooh here's my 2nd favourite summon, the big laser shooting dragon himself. There's the normal one, who possesses Megaflare, that just shoots a big mouth laser. Then there's Neo Bahamut with Gigaflare, where a force lifts to the sky the ground where the enemies stand, where Bahamut himself waits for them and blasts the shit outta em with a big ass beam. And lastly, Bahamut Zero, with his Teraflare, where he shoots you from Outerspace!
• Knigths Of The Round: and now, my favourite and most powerful summon of Final Fantasy VII. We have King Arthur and his other knights to unleash a relentless assault on the enemy, who's dragged in an alternate space where each knight charges them and attacks in all ways, until the King himself finishes everything with a swing of Excalibur, shattering the whole dimension like glass (like in that Gogeta VS Broly fight).

Regeneration/Immortality Negation

 

Like all the playable characters, Vincent can permanently destroy pieces of Jenova, which can regenerate from single cells and survive as long as her cells remain, but despite that they... don't... as they are gone for good, and can't even be used for the Reunion for the rebuild of Jenova's body. And through those cells Jenova can also her will, even though other people injected with them. Oh and also, he can kill ghosts and specters, such as Nero's duplicates made of tainted lifestream.

Law Manipulation

 

Yep, now we start to mention some things inside the Dissidia elephant in the room. Apparently, every playable character with a strong enough will, can overwrite and theoretically bend the laws of physics. Well, magic in itself was stated to rewrite the whole natural order of things, same thing that Vincent uses.

Beings with strong wills can not only create objects like airships and phone lines, but even entire worlds.

Various

• Matter Manipulation (Atomic): Flare literally can collide individual atoms, as it's been described as a literal "fusion reaction" in FFII
• Corrosion: The Poison effect is stated to "corrode" the target.
• Explosive Aura: Vincent used this power to beat Omega, and WEAPONS have shown to be able to repel those who get close to them.

Resistances

Vash

• Body Control, Biological Manipulation and Paralysis Inducement: Completely resisted Legato's attempts to control his body with his threads
•  Low Temperatures: we said it before, Vash's coat is cold resistant.
• Memory Manipulation, Absorption, Assimilation: In Stampede, Knives attempts to completely reshape Vash with EXPLICIT memory manipulation, but he eventually breaks out of it after resisting enough without any alterations.
• Extrasensory Perception: Independent Plants such as Knives Millions have been shown to bypass the sense of sensory experts such as Midvalley who didn't notice Knives's presence.
• Existence Erasure, Matter Manipulation (Quantum), Mind Manipulation and Deconstruction Independent Plants can resist the esoteric effects of the Angel Arms, and we already said before what they do.
• Fear Manipulation: Independent Plants can resist, the aura's of other Independent Plants. 

Vincent

• Banishment, Empathic Manipulation, Corrosion, Absorption: despite entering the Planet's Core within the Lifestream itself, Vincent was not taken forcefully taken from the living world. Later, he easily broke out from Nero's attempt to trap him in his darkness (Debatable)
• Mind Manipulation and Memory Manipulation: his mind has grown strong enough to not collapse nor be eroded under the weight of the Spirit Energy of the Lifestream, which reduced someone like Cloud... like this... 
• Soul Manipulation/Absorption: his spirit was not forcefully diffused nor reabsorbed by the Lifestream.
• Deconstruction and Matter Manipulation (Molecular): His physical body wasn't absorbed nor was dissolved by the Lifestream to retake his Spirit Energy. He can also resist Atomos's attacks, which crush you at the molecular level.

Forms

Vash

Angel Arm Forms

 

 As a Independent Plant, Vash can harness his plant powers to morph and shapeshift his body to grow Angel Arms, wings, and all that crap we have already discussed about before.

Vincent 

LIMIT BREAKS 

 

 (i still did not get Chaos bruh) - g

 

 One of the most iconic things about Final Fantasy as a whole: Limit Breaks. In FFVII, those are usually REALLY powerful attacks that the user unleashes by channeling their spirit energy, and when their anger is pushed to their... limit... hehe... The least powerful Limit Break can increase one's power by at least 3 times over, and it can really allow you to catch up to previously stronger opponents. but Vincent's Limit Breaks aren't attacks, but transformations, because of the experiments Hojo did on him. These transformations don't let Vincent only use new attacks, but also increase his maximum HP and MP. Let's see 'em.

Galian Beast

Our first Limit Break is the feral, bipedal Galian Beast, the only non-Chaos Limit Break that our boy Vincent has shown to consistently use, in both Rebirth and DoC. With Berserker Dance, he just attacks you brutally, and with Beast Flare, he causes massive flaming explosions with a roar!

Death Gigas

The second transformation Vincent has is this hulking Frankenstein monster looking type creature. With this form, he can use the devastating Gigadunk punch, or the fatally electric Livewire surge.

Looks like a bum no offense

Hellmasker

The third transformation is a cruffy, mad chainsaw man (say that again), and also a Leatherface looking appearance. With him, Vincent can slice and dice his enemies to bits with Splattercombo (yes that's a thing), or use Nightmare, which fitting enough, it's a weird mist that gives you one of these effects: Sleep, Poison, Silence, Frog, Confuse, and Mini.

Chaos

Vincent's final Limit Break and his most powerful transformation, Final Fantasy's Satan basically. Well, he ain't just a form actually, but was one of the Weapons created by the Planet, whose mission is to end all life, so Omega can harvest it and take off to a different planet to preserve the Lifestream, but we all know what did really happen, Vincent controlled Chaos and defeated Omega. Anyways, our infernal pal here is a winged demonic creature that can fly, has boosted stats, and has energy that protects him. And with this form, Vincent can summon the Death Penalty, which we have talked about before. ncreased speed and power and emits crimson energy that protects him from most attacks. In the original Final Fantasy VII games, where he just looked like a big flying demon, he had attacks like the Chaos Saber, where he slices you with invisible blades of energy, and then the Satan Slam, where a demonic face erupts from the ground and fucks you up.

Feats

Vash

Overall

• Evaded bounty hunters for decades
• Became the man with the 60.000.000.000$$ bounty
• Got Meryl Strife and Milly Thompson searching after him for months
• Defeated Millions Knives, Legato Bluesummers, the Gun-Ho-Guns
• Best friends with Nicholas D. Wolfwood :) (he dead oop)
• LOVE AND PEACE!!! (W mentality)
• Evaded a entire town's attempts to catch him for 4 hours straight while hardly breaking a sweat
• Really really really really funny guy
• Actually pulled a baddie for once in Episode 2 (but he doesn't know rip)

Strength

• Can easily knock people out cold
• Can lift Emilio through a small wire
• Wiped out the city of July and one million of it's inhabitants after firing the Angel Arm's laser at Knives, to the point where nothing was left behind (City Level, possibly higher)
• His Angel Arm's blast could cause a massive crater in the moon (1.2 Exatons of TNT)
• Stated it could have instead wiped out No Man's Land entirely (Large Planet Level)
• The muzzle flare alone caused a massive explosion in the city (2 Kilotons of TNT)

Speed

• Dodges gunfire a lot of times in the entire series, some even being point blank
• Dodged shots from Dominique’s handgun even at point blank range (Mach 5.6) 
• Also, FTE groping (Vash YOU'RE A PACIFIST...)
• His Angel Arm reached the moon in seconds (FTL)
• Could make a vast number of calculations in a fraction of a second more than what a plant could make in 200 years (possibly 1.13 Million c to 6 Billion c)
• His bullets skipped past measurable distance instantly to the point it warps space (Infinite)
• Here's some more info on that

Durability

• Bro gets beat up by everyone and everything bruh
• Survives two grenades exploding in his face with little injury
• Resists Legato's forced movements and is well enough to not only raise his gun, but fight him afterwards, and even resists being contorted this brutally holy shit.
• Jumps out of this ship with no issues 
• He survived a fall from space 
• Tanks many hits from Knives

Vincent

VINCENT WHERE ARE YOUR FEATS NOOOOO

Overall

• Professional Turk (formerly)
• Vessel of Chaos
• Squared off against and beat Deepground
• Promised Red XIII to visit him every year so he don't get lonely
• Got his own spin-off game
• Recovered the Protomateria from Deepground
• Managed to attain his Chaos form and utilize it in full control
• Defeated Hojo, Sephiroth, Omega WEAPON
• Slept in a coffin for 30-ish years, probably a vampire ngl wiz
• Got his fucking revenge on Hojo in the end let's go
• the OG Shadow the Hedgehog fr

Strength

• His bullets can pierce steel easily
• One shot Arch Azul as Chaos despite him overpowering him before
• Easily nullifies Hojo Weiss's energy wave
  Smacked Azul, a 8-9 foot man hundreds of feet away casually
• His Satan Slam can unearth a huge amount of rock
• Busted through's Omega's previously unbreakable barrier
• Chucked Azul's gun at him so hard it pierced him before unleashing a Chaos blast (hm) to kill him
• The power of one of his normal Materia is 48 Teratons of TNT
• His final clash with Omega in his Chaos form dispersed a massive amount of clouds (16 Exatons of TNT)

Speed

• Can easily react to gunfire like it's nothing
• Dodges multiple missiles in slow motion
• Moves faster than Arch Azul can react and murders his ass before he can do anything
• Dodged lasers so fast it was like he wasn't there as he flies up
• Moves at such incredible speeds fighting Weiss he can't be captured by the human eye
• Can easily catch Weiss off guard and follow his movements
• Same Weiss could react to lasers from the Death Penalty
• Could outpace Omega traveling into space (0.20c)

Durability

• Was shot by Hojo before getting his powers
• Was smacked by Arch Azul into a guard rail and gets up
• Can survive getting his chest pierced in base
• Gets punched through a wall and is fine
• Survives this explosion close range
• Can survive Omega Weiss chucking a meteor at him which causes a big explosion
• Survives his final clash with Omega (16 Exatons of TNT, see above)
• Can survive Sephiroth's Supernova if placed as a party member during his fight (178.8 MegaFOE)

Scaling

Vash

Plants

Being a Independent Plant, Vash should be among the god tiers of Trigun along with Knives, and would scale to his fellow plant brothers and sisters.

• Knives causally created a massive explosion that went above cloud level and decimated a town from afar with the sheer shockwave. (733 Gigatons of TNT, Small Country Level)
• Said explosion was stated to have deleted 1 square kilometer as if it vanished (822 Megatons of TNT)
• Knives also tanked the Tall Hammer, which caused a massive explosion visible from space (115 Gigatons of TNT, possibly higher)
• Plants come from a dimension above the the multiverse's space, causality, and time axises (5D, See One Last Thing(s))
• In Lost Plant, a Plant is stated to have enough energy to blow the planet away, as it's power is a quintillion times the energy of Hiroshima's bomb (15 Zettatons of TNT)
• Same plant would proceed to exert 10,000 trillion, or another 10 quadrillion, times that energy (6.27 KiloFoe)
• Yet again, that same plant was stated to create a singularity capable of destroying our own universe with a Big Bang (Universal)
• This would create another universe in the process, and it actually does happen after Vash takes it to a subspace

Gung-Ho Guns

• Wolfwood dodged lasers (yes) (possibly Relativistic)  
• Legato survived being in the middle of Knives's massive void attack (733 Gigatons of TNT)
• Rai-Dei survives being in range of Augusta's destruction (0.3 - 1.13 Tons of TNT)
• Rai-Dei can cut through buildings
• Rai-Dei can move away from and reflect machine gun fire (Supersonic+)
• Midvalley could dodge a gunshot at point blank range
• Elendira can cut through entire ships with her nails (Large Building Level, possibly higher)      
• Elendira's nails can intercept missiles (possibly Hypersonic)
• Razlo deadass catches a bullet with his bare hands

Misc. 

Vincent

You know, I'm surprised FFVII of all franchises has NO CALCS!!!!!!

Final Fantasy VII Protagonists

Art from here (I don't know where it actually originates from)

• Even without SOLDIER enhancements, could still throw Sephiroth a dozen feet into a wall while being stabbed
• This is the Final Fantasy equivalent of Darth Vader stabbing a Stormtrooper only for the Stormtrooper to maul his ass btw
• Cloud has easily been shown to block bullets
• Cloud can avoid lightning-fast arrows (Mach 280) (source is spamton g spamton)
• Cloud could defeat Sephiroth with Omnislash Version 5
• Tifa can fucking SUPLEX WEAPONS (327 Megatons - 1.3 Gigatons of TNT)
• Red XIII's limit break can call energy from stars (65.9 million c)

Antagonists

Sephiroth /ft. Jenova

• [Sephiroth]: Has stabbed a lot of people and things
• [Sephiroth]: Makes a giant storm (14.2 Petatons of TNT)
• [Sephiroth]: Can control the meteor in Super Nova, which can fly to galaxies (20.5 trillion c)
• [Sephiroth]: Super Nova. (178.8 MegaFOE, see above)
• Also kind of... just stands in the explosion wtf?
• [Sephiroth]: Can telekinetically move clouds (Mach 444)
• [Sephiroth]: THINK FAST CHUCKLENUTS (aka throws Materia hard enough for it to hurt)
• [Jenova]: Survives crashing down to the Planet as a... meteor (say that again) (up to 12 Exatons of TNT)

Miscellaneous

• Random mooks shatter a stone statue with one punch (12 Megajoules, solos your favorite verse)
• Reno and Rude can survive their bombs blowing up in their face (150 Kilotons of TNT)
• he's hojo bro he's CRAZY

WEAPONS

All the party members fight the WEAPONS in FFVII, and Vincent himself fights Omega WEAPON, the strongest of them, so he should naturally scale.

• Weapons can make enormous earthquakes upon awakening (20 Teratons of TNT)
• The Ultimate Weapon can make massive craters (351 Petatons of TNT)
• Omega's final clash with Vincent himself (16 Exatons of TNT)

Dissidia (and etc.)

I just took the cover art of Dissidia, also see One Last Thing(s) for more info on this matter.

• Uh... Darkness's wife wanted to eat the World of Light and Darkness or something idk
• Exdeath could harness the power of the Void and merged with it to become Neo Exdeath (Multiversal+)
• Promathia could merge all infinite dimensions into a single one (Multiversal+)
• Ultimecia wished to compress time and space within herself (3.22 x 10^130 joules, Universal)
• In Final Fantasy Dimensions II, Chaos Bahamut exists in a higher dimension (5D, Debatable)

Summons

Scaling to his own Summons is basic enough for Vincent. Fellow Turks can battle Zirconiade, the strongest summon in the series, so it makes sense to scale.

• Odin and Bahamut ZERO can split massive cloud formations each
• Bahamut ZERO can fly across the planet (Mach 4688)
• Typhon can control the oceans (Multi-Continent Level)
• Ifrit is stated to have enough power to burn the world to ashes (1 Exaton of TNT)
• Bahamut Fury's Exaflare blows up a entire moon (31 Yottatons of TNT)
• Also flew fast enough to travel between star systems during it (17,828,728c)
• Typhon can literally flip the world upside down... ish. (795 Ronnatons of TNT)
• Bahamut can sustain a dimension with stars and galaxies itself (16.883 ExaFOE)
• The Knights of the Round can destroy a dimension with stars and galaxies (947.5 YottaFOE)

Weaknesses

Vash

Well... Vash actually doesn't like... really have any fatal points to be honest (limited ammo wiz)? I mean, aside from obviously the limits he puts on himself because he's a pacifist, the only real weakness he has is that his energy isn't limitless, and the more he uses it reduces his lifespan, which you can tell by his darkening hair, but aside from that? That's really it. His normally pacifist nature also causes him to generally get his ass beat often, but otherwise that's fine.

Vincent

About Vincent, he himself doesn't have noticable weak points either, but his weaponry kind of does. Aside from the obvious bullets quantity limit, Materia is... kind of a double edged sword. It raises some stats, but decreases others, and magic spells don't always land, they have been shown to be interruptable, key example being the Remake games. 

One Last Thing(s)...

Vash

What the actual FUCK are Plants COOKING??? (aka, are plants really 5D?)

art by g

So yeah, Plants have this really wacky statement of "manipulating higher dimensions and stuff", and ...there's really nothing wrong with it.

I dunno why y'all hate it. It's very explicit!

So yeah, anyways, case closed, there's legit nothing wron- wait wait what

Wait, it...WHAT DO YOU MEAN IT DOESN'T EXIST???

-

So yeah, nail in the coffin, you can't really find the source of this statement, so it's a debatable option to even include...

...

...well... what if I told you it kinda does exist!

Lemme just say, in Trigun Stampede, a really similar concept is introduced. I've gathered all my evidence here.

So in funny short terms, Knives wants this higher dimensional core that has soul hax that is in a higher dimension that humans cannot fathom. Vash can open portals to this higher dimensions because plot, and Knives kidnaps him for it. This core is a higher dimensional construct, the manifestation of the beginning and end, and the source of all matter and energy, as well as Plants and their power being conducted from here. This power is also capable of interfering with warp gate technology and fluctuate space from the subspace they would travel through, with warp gate tech/subspaces in this context defined as entering a hyperspace (which is 4D, and this higher dimension would naturally upscale) to travel between different locations. Vash has the special unique ability to take and send things there.

Knives can interact and connect with this core, and Vash is able to contain the energy and power of the core into a smaller less complex cube on the molecular level. Knives eventually plots to use this energy to force open a gate to the higher dimension by raw power, so Vash blasts most of the power away, but Knives jumps into the blast like a lunatic, takes the energy for two whole minutes before eventually giving in to the blast. Note Knives can push through the force of the blast and Vash tanks the force itself, even surviving the July explosion implied to be caused by that core. 

Knives also returns in the Stargaze trailer with a black streak he does not have in Stampede, implied he could have survived and regenerated. In episode 3, Knives is revealed to have survived... as his brain being kept alive... yeah... but ARK KNIVES POWER BOOST!!!! (see below)

Well, it's still Stampede, which isn't the OG canon, but it adds consistency at the very least. Nightow does makes some implications that it's accurate to some source material, but eh.

 

Well, since it's his highest argument... we'll include it as a high end?

where does knives UPSCALE?

So towards the end of Trigun Maximum, Knives does some funny merging with Plants all across Noman's Land, absorbing most of the Plants on the planet and taking them on the Ark, before kinda merging with the Ark as a sentient organism under his control and yada yada, but the point is that it makes him immensely stronger than before. It should be clear cut that this allows him to upscale Lost Plant's Big Bang feat, as that was one Plant and Ark Knives is multiple technically.

So one thing we have to get out of the way first. How many plants did he merge with? Well, he merged with supposedly most Dependent Plants on the planet, and there are hundreds, maybe even thousands, powering that many towns and cities. We are given a timeframe of eight months, so that's plenty of time.

So borderline assuming that, Ark Knives would scale to hundreds to possibly thousands of times Universal. However, there's more.

In Chapter 95 of Maximum, it's described that when two plants merge, their power increases by a thousandfold. Considering it says, "both" and "one another" it could be referring to just two plants merging. Taking our previous estimate of "hundreds, possibly thousands" and Ark Knives would be hundreds of thousands, possibly... millions (say that again) of times Universal.

Now, there's still one more thing we have to discuss.

When Knives merges with the plants, Elendira states that he has "reached a new dimension of existence". It doesn't sound like complete hyperbole, but that's up to interpretation, and it's really iffy since it also does sound like hyperbole.

So yeah, we'll just leave the middle end of him being a hundred thousand times stronger at worst as the end we'll be using here.

Vincent

I hate my pocket dimensions

A pretty recurring thing you might see throughout the game, especially with Summons, is that the fact they usually have starry skies during the animation.

Now, is this actually legit. Why, yes, of course!

Summons are outrigt stated to bring the target into their own unique space to attack. However, this doesn't mean that they sustain the actual dimension. Luckily, in the case of Zirconiade, it's dimension outright begins to collapse after it's death, and it eventually is destroyed in a massive shockwave.

So yes, starry skies are real. That was suprisingly easy to explain.

Dissidia for dummies

So uh, in a really short version, Dissidia Final Fantasy is where Vincent gets scaling to almost every other Final Fantasy game, and where he just generally gets his really high scaling in general.

First, let me explain the Multiversal+ stuff thanks to this blog.

The Void is essentially a primordial... void that dates far beyond anything in Final Fantasy. Every game you've played, it's all because of this Void that everything will return to once it ends. This Void is a infinite force that spans the infinite parallel worlds in Final Fantasy. These infinite parallel worlds have been mentioned multiple times, one of those times by Sephiroth. Considering the Void encompasses all of this, it's no suprise affecting the Void grants you Multiversal+ levels of power.

King Kolka's statements of infinite worlds, and how the MC has the power to "transcend" and "control" them, supposedly.

Exdeath and the Cloud of Darkness decided to team up one day, to extinguish all of existence and plunge it away in darkness, effectively returning all to the Void. Simple as that, some Multi shit there. But that's not all. People like Exdeath merge with the Void entirely as Neo Exdeath and Promathia is implied to be able to merge the universes into a singular one. (see above)

Yeah, so in short, you can achieve Multiversal+ levels of power for Vincent through Dissidia, as people like Cloud and Sephy are in the game, and is even a playable character in that one Dissidia mobile game too.

Now, there's one more thing. Not necessarily Dissidia, but in Final Fantasy Dimensions II, the party can fight Chaos (Chaos Bahamut or whatever err), and that guy obviously exists in a realm beyond time, some clear 5D stuff going on there. However... does Vincent scale?

Yes. Though its through some funny chainscaling so

The ORIGINAL Chaos appears as a event boss fight, and the same himself appears in Dissidia, after all. Or that's the general gist of it. So arguably, you can scale Vincent through Dissidia from Multiversal+ to 5D using per say arguments.

Verdict

Cue Red Lead Redemption, folks.

Brandon Yates my goat

Alright, the combatants are set, we've run the data through all possibilities, and now we'll settle this debate!

For this, we'll be considering 6 categories. Power, Abilities, Endurance, Skill, OHKOs, and Speed.

Prepare yourselves for the biggest, baddest, cowboy gunslinging duel you've seen. This one gets wild.

Power

Main Canon

Now then, for their main keys, discluding other material besides their general original canon, so nothing like Dissidia or Stampede. Both have scaling on par or somewhat higher than beings that can wipe out whole universes, as shown with the Plant's Big Bang and the Knights of the Round. (yes lost plant just takes place 60 years after maximum its canon).

However, Vincent's limit breaks like Chaos should generally multiply his power to a extent far beyond the normal universal tier, leaving Vash in the dust and giving him the win here... right?

Well, no.

Vincent's Chaos doesn't have a set multiplier, but it does allow him to easily overpower people like Azul, who previously had the upper hand. This suggests a multiplier greater than 3-5 times, but obviously less than a whole 100, presumably. Even highballing it to a 1000x multiplier, Ark Knives' hundred thousand to millions power increase dwarfed it. And Vash could close the gap between Ark Knives and himself in a instant.

Considering this, surprisingly Vash would upscale Universal more than Vincent, even with his limit breaks. That's certainly something that surprises me, I thought Vash would be left behind at first.

Arguably, this specific power stat in their main canons goes to ...Vash? 

But that isn't all they have, in fact, you can get both to astronomically higher limits than just their main keys. Introducing;

Stampede VS Dissidia

Now to pull out their highest ends, Final Fantasy Dissidia, and suprisingly, Trigun Stampede/Stargaze.

Using both these arguments, in short, both got up to 5D using these specific arguments, both using higher-dimensional properties of incomprehensible planes... yeah.

As much as I'd think this section would be longer and harder to explain, in short, both are pretty much dead even at their peaks.

Power is a overall Tie.

Abilities

Now onto abilities.

Now, as we've covered, Plants are pretty fucking busted. Even moreso than you would first think. However, even in the face of that, Vincent's Materia was still fucking busted. He could do a lot of the same things and maybe even more.

Things like Stop and Ice magic could easily pin Vash in position for some big damage, and he has things like his Summons, which can take Vash into a alternate dimension while he could do stuff like heal as Vash dealt with that.

And while Vash's regeneration was technically superior, Vincent likely had the capabilities to spam his more often.

I actually wouldn't be surprised if Vincent's abilities just overwhelmed Vash in some scenarios, due to things like transmutation and stuff.

Abilities is a decently clear dub for Vincent.

Skill

Now for skill. This one's kind of in Vash's favor already.

Both are much older than they seem, but while Vincent's only 60, Vash is 150 at least. He's been doing his thing longer than Vincent has lived. Not to mention living in a coffin for nearly 30 of those years you've lived doesn't do much for Vincent. So Vash is more experienced.

However, their gunmanship when it came to accuracy was actually about equal. Vash is more likely to win the lottery than miss while locked in and Vincent has 250% accuracy, but Vash has been shown to deduce opponents and their techniques, and boy has he fought a number of confusing opponents. He thinks more creatively than just accuracy.

Plus he's probably more intelligent, making possibly uncountable calculations in a very short timeframe, while we've never seen Vincent do much of the same.

Endurance

Now for their endurance. Vincent and Vash both have some superhuman stamina, as shown how they can fight on for hours on end and in taxing scenarios.

However, the thing that nets Vincent the edge here is the fact that numerous of his tools can not only bring back stamina to himself - something Vash can't do himself, but possibly wear Vash down faster, such as in the case of his sleep spells.

While Vash isn't a slacker, he cannot simply regain his Plant powers. Whenever he uses them, it's actually a limited supply that can't be replenished. While they can last for a long time, that's still a point that has to be addressed.

Vincent takes Endurance

OHKO Reliability

Now about their instant-kill abilities.

Both have powers than can allow the other to execute the other regardless of durability. Vash's Black Hole bullets and quantum manipulation as well as various of Vincent's items and spells.

The Death Penalty could also be a instant kill, but that depends on how leveled up it is, so that depends as a wincon here. In Dirge of Cerberus, it doesn't really oneshot enemies either.

While Vincent arguably had more, Vash's skill and superior intelligence could allow him to pull it off easier. However, there's actually one more factor that can determine how effective their durability negation could be.

And that is

Speed

Who could relatively pull it off faster was the key.

While Vincent is pretty damn fast, scaling to Sephiroth's meteor coming in at trillions of times faster than light, Vash was simply too fast.

Having bullets go out of measurable distance easily does apply for Infinite speeds, aka being infinitely faster than Vincent. While things like Stop could hard counter, in the original games it is actually chance-based in the original games, and in the remakes it's actually able to be halted while casting. 

Considering the speed gap, it's unlikely Vash would just stand there and let it happen, and he has sort of dealt with Dominique's similar-but-not-really abilities too.

On the other hand, Vash can react and parry attacks from Knives, who should be comparable in speed with his attacks, sealing him as the faster one overall.

This meant that Vash takes speed, and considering he's faster, he can likely pull off his OHKO's faster and more effectively, so he gets that category too.

And that's our overall verdict!

Now, let's wrap this blog up!

Fight Script

By g, ignore the spelling mistake I beg you.

Yeah, me and g teamed up to make this, hopefully you enjoy it!

Vash The Stampede VS Vincent Valentine.

:D

Summary

Vash

"Even if they hunt me, I'll just run away! I'll run, run, run, and keep running as far as I have to! And when things calm down, I'll quietly settle by their side again. I'm... Vash the Stampede."

Advantages 

• Stronger with main canon
• Infinitely faster than Vincent
• Quantum manipulation was something Vincent has not resisted at that level
• Forcefields could shield him from weaker spells
• More skilled and experienced
• Reactive evolution could theoretically mean he can get stronger over time
• Smarter and better intelligence overall
• Faster speed meant easier OHKO's
• He's ballin'
• love and pe(ac)e

Equal

• Equal in power at composite
• Marksmanship
• Durability Negation
• drip

Disadvantages 

• Vincent's skill set was pretty much OP enough to the point where certain spells like Stop could just bypass speed, and net him a lose in situations
• Worse endurance
• Stop would render speed useless
• Lower mastery over his own Plant powers than Vincent with his Materia
• Can't pull a girlfriend for his life
• Trigun's overshadowed by Cowboy Bebop (bruuuh)

Vincent

"Too much hope is the opposite of despair... a overpowering love may consume you in the end."

Advantages

• Vincent's Stop spell was actually a huge tool...
• Far more abilities and items/weapons.
• Status effects could throw Vash for a loop
• Summons would be a great help at buying time
• More usage of his powers than Vash's plant powers
• More stamina in the long run and could wear Vash down with some spells
• Deadass said "it's time to save the world"
• Gender equality

Equal

• Equal in power at composite
• Marksmanship
• Durability Negation
• drip

Disadvantages

• ...Assuming Vash let it activate, he's got time.
• Materia is a double-edged sword
• Far slower
• Likely cannot use OHKO's before Vash's faster speed allows him to use his
• Weaker at main canons suprisingly
• Less skilled overall, and isn't as smart in battle as Vash
• Bad with technology lol
• If only Zack found bro

The Deciding Tally

Vash the Stampede (6) - g (Ricu), SeriesHyperfixator, Fireplus, Videodmf09, DorkVader, FireBlaze19

Vincent Valentine (1) - Pegasus124467 (pity-ish)

Quote of the Day

Pegasus: "I'm keeping the December blog a secret!!!"

Hyper: "Is it Vash VS Vincent?"

Pegasus: "Okay bro how the fuck did you-"

(it got delayed oops)

Special Thanks

I really want to thank g (Ricu), the biggest fan of this matchup, for deciding to help write and add stuff for it, as well as letting us use some of his art and thumbnails. He truly is our goat, and wrote the backgrounds for Vash and Vincent. He definetly hard carried too, because while Ichigo VS Yusuke was in production, he was the main person focusing on this blog, and it's genuinely hard for me to express my gratitude. Thanks, man.

Actually, as of writing this, he didn't just do the backgrounds, he practically did 75% of this while we were on Ichigo VS Yusuke... true chad. I can't put gratitiude into words, but thank you, again.

Next up, we have Hyper, who recently left the community, he isn't around anymore (he's still alive but we rarely see him unless it's a special occasion), and he really was a big friend of mine, and one of the reasons I made these blogs to start out with was because I kinda joked around with him and it came up. He's a really amazing person, and one of the coolest people I know. Stay reading, man.

Next, there's Blaze, who was there from the start. Was a big help through and through. He makes his own blogs, and I suggest you go and read them too. Here's the links to his blogs. He's definitely a loyal right-hand man in these blogs, and I help out in his own from time to time too. He's also a really nice guy to talk too, so yeah.

I know this sounds like this is the grand finale, but it ain't, chat.

Also, Outcome Memories died NOOOOOO. It has nothing to do with this, but still. If you couldn't tell by the "play my game" thing. I was a huge fan. Hopefully Bite By Night will cheer me up again. I genuinely loved the fucking game.

Next Time

yeah g just makes the trailers now lol